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#1 Posted : Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:29:44 PM

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Here's a good one:

If I have a Psi-Focus gem mounted in a ring, can it be used as both a Psi-Focus AND a 'Jeweled Ring' (ritual component for "Muses' Blessing")?

Now, a Jeweled ring only requires one 'unit' of gemstone, but does that prohibit the use of the two required for a Psi-focus?


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#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:10:34 AM

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There are a number of things that might be combined:

We've seen a Staff that has a Psi-Focus set into it. (Vinnie)

We've seen Boots that not only help with "Disengage" but also act as a +1 to Armor to boot [pun intended!]. (Dave/Kendra)

We've seen a Flute that helps with Haruko's Ancestor mumbo-jumbo and can act as a weapon too. (Matt)

There are also plenty of things already on the Production list that help with multiple skills such as Pure Spirits and Mead or the Alembic, Retort and Still items. The Crucible also works for multiple skills. Let's not forget the humble Rope or the Mortar & Pestle, either!

So, I see no reason that other 'multi-tasking' items could not be made as well. Of course, I'd expect some research might be needed for some but others might be just simple and/or obvious enough that none would be needed.

How about a Cape that can not only be used to enhance one's ability to "Avoid Blows" but act as one's Healing Cloth as well?

Or Rune Stones that not only help with Fates' Salvation but, perhaps add a mStam or two (based on quality) when using Insight?

Perhaps there could be "Reinforced Fine Gloves" that not only help with Bursting Bonds but with Avoiding Traps too.

Perhaps a Rainbow Candle could help with Muses' Blessings & Graces as well as Gifts of both the Furies and Fates?

I'm pretty sure any of the Ritual Knives could be used in combat, eh?

Why not a Jeweled Ring or Jeweled Pendulum that is set with a Psi-Focus? I could see the Circlet, Necklace and Bracelet having Psi-Foci set in them as well!

I'd like to hear (read) people's opinions on this. Sound off!


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#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:14:50 AM

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Although I am not as up to date on ritual components as I might be, certain things here do stand out:

1)The boots. Being a warrior character these sound really good.
2)The cape also makes a great deal of sense. A ritual cloth is one obvious choice, but are there other ways in which a strip of cloth can be used? Like a map for Tracking, or have anceint writings written on it for research purposes? (Just random thoughts).
3)The use of ritual knives as weapons does make sense.. however i am not sure which would take priority - their stats as a weapon or as a focus. For example - would a master-crafted ritual knife have a weapon ability, the focus bonus, or both?
4)can a psi focus be set in a weapon or armor? I believe you need one hand free to invoke psi, so I believe you could hold something - like a weapon - in the other hand. Or do you need both hands free?
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:39:54 AM
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Please note while my opinion is informed I am not staff, and anybody reading my comments should note that.

My opinion is that if an item incorperates the features of multiple items it will incorperate the cost of multiple items.

While experimenting if you try to make the item with less materials than that it will reduce your success rate.

The "field" for a ritual can be something other than a ritual cloth. I'd have to go digging to find where the ruling was posted, but I remember such options as "pacing the room" a placed rope or even a drawn circle in the ground. So far the only item that grants a bonus to casting and acts as a field is a ritual cloth. Most people tend to get used to the ritual cloth as being the only field used because it is used in conjucting with the healing spell.

Also remember that while the rulebook list the materials and skills required to make an item it does not list the manufacturing techniques, tolerences and all the nitty gritty details that an engineer,archmage,psiologist and the like can pour over to determine what the interactions of different properties of different items when combined.

Just think about putting multiple medicines together in one pill. It can be done with alot of research or recklessly with little research.

Let's use a battle capable iron ritual knife. The dagger/combat's design requiremnets aspect of the weapon is straigth forward it has to be durable enough to survive the stresses of combat & hold a viable edge. But the magical aspects have to be taken into account. What properties makes the iron ritual knife useful for taking down a ward? Is it the cold hammered iron that is the material that makes the blade that the magic resonates with? Is it the carefully etched runes and arcane sigils that do the effect? Other aspects?

Cold worked iron is supposed to be a bitch to make with a useful sharp edge in some stories. Etched runes and sigils could easily be damaged in battle & in some stories a one broken sigil can ruin the ritual the item is used with... and that is but a sampling of possible difficulties.

Ultimately I figure the techno-babble specifications on alot of these things are not going to be defined insted just keeping with the statistics already present and a simple random draw from a bag will be done to determine success of combining items via experiments.

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And worse - rather than not working at all, a damaged ritual focus to work in some way as yet unforseen
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If ya want a ring and a psi focus in one do it. Set BOTH a gem and a psifocus in the ring.
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Jesus Rodriguez wrote:
If ya want a ring and a psi focus in one do it. Set BOTH a gem and a psifocus in the ring.


I agree. The precident has been set [pun intended] with Derek's Staff [pun intended, again!].


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You may use an item for multiple purposes, as long as all costs are paid for each use.

If you took a jeweled ring, and then had a skilled person put a psi-foci gem in it,
you could get a card from logistics saying "Jeweled Ring w/ <skill> Foci Gem"

Or, however Scott would end up wording it.

Anyways - the answer (and I apologize for not getting this back sooner)
is "Yes", you may have a multi-function item. The only real caveat is that all costs
must be paid for each effect.

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ArthurMacBride wrote:


4)can a psi focus be set in a weapon or armor? I believe you need one hand free to invoke psi, so I believe you could hold something - like a weapon - in the other hand. Or do you need both hands free?


The requisite, I believe, is that you are supposed to touch the foci with one hand, while you cast with the other.
The written rule said you cannot have an "item" in the other hand - which I believe we are clarifying ...

The intent of the rule was simply that the notion of touching the foci showed that you were taking a split-second
to actually focus your mind to create the effect. Having a ring-foci does not allow you to avoid this requirement -
as you must still actively touch the foci before casting the packet.

I stand to be corrected on this, but I am pretty sure this was the intent.

Wizards need to establish a field, psionics need to "focus" on the foci to generate the psi-effect.

-Chris
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Okay, so I'm clear:

I can have a Psi Focus gem set in a ring and I can wear the ring.

I can hold a packet in the hand that has the ring on one of it's fingers.

As long as the gem in the ring touches the packet, I can cast from that hand (by wearing the ring in a non-traditional manner with the gem toward the palm).

Do I have this right?

(tried to keep the statements above simple and straightforward.)


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Not quite ...

The intent is that you must actually make a dedicated effort to touch the foci before casting.

You cannot just wear a foci, and say "I am always touching it".

The action of specifically touching, or "activating" if you wish to think of it that way,
the foci before casting a psi-packet is part of the requirement to cast.

A wizard must touch thier field to cast a spell. I have seen some who carry a field looped
thru thier belt. They still grasp the field in one hand, and have the target touch it as well when
they cast. This works the same way. They cannot cast just becasue thier field is in thier
belt - they have to "activate" the field by touching it.

-Chris

(the key word is "actively touch" - as opposed to passively "wear". )
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ah, okay.

So, is it okay if I mount the focus-gem in the pouch I keep the Psi-Packets in? Or is that still a bit to efficient?

er, that sounded a bit more snarky than I intended. What I mean is, there is a line and is the jeweled pouch okay?


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There is no dictate of where the foci must be.

If you wore them on a nacklace, as a ring, or sewed them to the outside
of a packet-pouch - makes no matter as long as they are somewhere that you
can touch them right before tossing a psi-packet.

The notion of putting them on the outside of a belt pouch is a
nice idea - show off you psi-bling d'oh!

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