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#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:52:27 PM

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I officially have Boffers on the Brain. :)

I'm note sure how long it would take to get a working prototype, but would the possibility of a gunblade ever be feasible in our game? I'm not sure how easy it would be to graft a core onto part of a NERF gun, I'd just like to toss the idea out before I try making one.

(If this is not something I should suggest two days before event, please feel free to thwap me.)
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I'm having a hard time imagining how that could be made to be safe.
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*THWAP*

Anyway, the only way I can think to do this without potentially hurting someone with the gun's hard plastic is to put it in the pommel and have the entire mechanism in the grip.

That is a significant mod to a Nerf gun. I tried to make a similar thing when I first started Isles. I wanted something similar to the hand weapon in the Andromeda TV series. Essentially a tube that the Nerf dart comes out of.

If this works out, I think I'd like to have one.


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I was just thinking of how a lot of the guns have extra space below the muzzle for extra ammo, and how I might be able to run a core through there. It's have to be a fencing foil-like trigger grip, with the barrel or the pistol raised above the foam.

Kendra, don't worry, safety is my first priority! If I can't make it safe, I won't make it!
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:50:23 PM

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The problem is, the plastic of the NERF guns won't hold to the longitudinal stresses of sworsdwinging. A better bet might be to try and integrate a NERF miniblaster into a heavily padded pommel or ricasso. Here's the one I mean:

http://www.captainslug.com/nerf/wiki/secretstrike1.jpg
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While in theory possible,
and certainly within the tech range of Asylum (for single shot) -

As others have said, safety first and foremost.

Any question at all about safety would not be allowed.

But, that aside - it would be interesting to see what you could come up with !

-Chris
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Gun blade?

Only thing I can think of is a bayonet. I'm interested to see if that could actually be made safe, since its primarily a stabby weapon.
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You have it backwards, actually. A bayonet is a gun with a knife on it. A Gunblade is a sword with a gun in it/on it in some way, usually firing parallel to the blade.

For instance: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:35e8cZEAb1MJ::www.ffplanet.com/ff8/gunblade-vero.jpg is a nonfiring replica from a videogame, but you get the idea. In theory, the barrel of the gun runs just above the top (dull) edge of the sword.

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Try these fer intsper-rations

http://edgecase.net/devsite/photos/referenceshots/picture1177.aspx

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/charitycoinshop_2020_273434

The first I believe was made in 1590, the second 17th century.

I once saw a varient design which used the axe-head as a stock. I can't seem to find a picture of that right now though.

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Just to be clear,
there will NEVER be a bayonet type weapon allowable, IMO, in the Isles.

Now, I probably should not say never,
but the obvious issues of melee combat with anything other than standard
contruction weapons - I think - make such a thing impossible.
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A thought might be a small "assassin" pistol enclosed fully within the hilt with a trigger at the base of the hilt. This might be most effective in a basket hilt rapier, allowing the protected hand to still work a trigger mechanism, as well as provider the barrell housing. It might also be a neat surprise to have the pistol fire from the pommel - "Disarm your sword! BLAM!"

There can never be enough BLAM. Ask JD.
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Yep, Arthur and JD have the right idea; a small, single-shot dart firing device that would be built into the hilt of a shortsword or min-length longsword. The 'gun' portion would have to be integrated in such a way that it's all in the handle, or has padding over it (or both!)

Mario, those refrence pictures are nifty, but totally not safe to even attempt to build in a boffer.

I should add that I've been tossing around the idea of a secondary character in case something happens to Nara, and the Steamunk Fae from Constantius just sound like too much fun.
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You're correct. I didn't expect you to build a rep like those pictures. It was a weapon like this,

http://armsbid.com/ot47-auction/ot47-web/900.jpg

That I was refering too. Also what about a weapon rep that looks like the photos above but have a concealed dart launcher up one's sleeve?

You could whip up gunblade rep that would make Ziefer look jealous (and be safe for melee combat) and fire the concealed dart laucher up your sleave when needed. (and be safe at range.)

Mario
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What about using a bigger piece for the core of the sword, and make that core the barrel of the gun. Point sword and fire, then swing away...

Loading could be a bit of an issue...maybe something like a breach load in the handle?

Just another thought to add to the chaos.
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The problen with that design comes from the thrusting tip - and if the barrel was involved with any way along or within the sword blade, it would make it unsafe for full- scale combat.
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Yep, Arthur (Rob) has that detail right. The core of a weapon could never double as a gun barrel safely because the thrusting tip cannot have a 1/2" hole through it.
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It would be the same as a latex weapon, you cannot thrust with those either!
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But a latex weapon is safe to swing edge-on, FTMP. A literal "gun-blade" would not be due to modifications to the blade itself making it likely unsafe.
As well, regular boffer combat would soon crack the gun mechanism if housed in the blade, making the entire contraption instantly obsolete.
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Honestly, I am not advocating either.

I'd prefer my gun to look like a gun and my sword to look like a sword. I don't need an inbetweener...thats what I have holsters and sword frogs for.
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If I can offer my two gilda what about if it were a gun with a blade attached that allowed you to shoot the gun but also made the gun blocking safe. So it would be almost like having a ranged weapon that you could block with. But you couldn't actually strike with the blade.
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