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#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:51:14 PM

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Varius wrote:
I suggest the following:

Dwayne's suggestion wrote:
With the purchase of this skill (School of the Land, Hunter/Herder or Tracking), you may make the call "By my gesture, identify Race" while indicating a specific individual with your gesture. This action is a very 'In Game' action (forgoing any stealthiness to get a good look at the critter - exposing yourself as much as your voiced call would) that is obvious.

Additionally, this exact same call can be made on a sentient being if the user has the skill School of Man.

Doing this costs no Stamina of any kind.


I think this simple addition to the descriptions of each of the skills (School of the Land, Hunter/Herder, Tracking & School of Man) would solve this issue, prevent the OOGliness of other methods and give some more fun to those with these skills.

Dwayne


Hunter/Herder as the Pool or as the refining skill? That makes a big difference. Many people have the one pool point to get the SU, but the production skill Hunter/herder is more expensive as is the ?mental? skills of tracking and School. There is nothing in this suggested list that is physical primary which many of our hunters are.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:13:54 PM
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arianhwyvar wrote:
Varius wrote:
Of course, as with all Diagnosis, this would have to be done with a willing/unconscious/dead target and a packet touch.


Oh, and Diagnose doesn't have to be done on a willing/helpless target.


But, to clarify, to use a 'touch by packet' you do need to actually touch someone by packet (although it's common in pretty much every larp to forego the packet for Diagnosing), so all an active/unwilling opponent would have to do to not be affected (and thus not have to answer yes or no to a Diagnose) is to move away so you couldn't touch them with the packet.

If you did touch them successfully, though, there is no 'refuse to be affected by touch casting' in Accelerant -- if the packet touches you, you take the effect (or respond with a defense like Avoid).

So to do what is effectively diagnose at a distance, Dwayne's idea of a 'By my gesture Expose' is a good one. Expose only works on specific traits, though, so you'd have to run through the list: 'By my gesture expose Coydo? By my gesture expose Zeethra?', if every critter had a trait that was its species. (The equivalent of the race traits PCs have.) That would mean PCs would need to have and remember the species knowledge OOG, which could be good or bad, depending on what you want.

-Kendra
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:24:51 PM

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arianhwyvar wrote:

Knowledge/recognizing critters is something akin to Tracking. Maybe it should be covered by Tracking, also a mental skill, which also has the problem of not getting very much use.

The notion of 'a hunter' covers a whole lot of related skills (tracking, and actually being able to kill a critter in the first place!) which are not actually part of the Hunter/Herder production skill.

School of Land is only a level 4 skill. Just as a good hunter presumably needs to have some physical stats in order to hunt successfully, it's not ridiculous that the hunter would benefit from a knowledge ability related to hunting sources and the local area, or from the help of someone else with that knowledge.

-Kendra


Thank you for clarifying so well what I was trying to say, but managed to not quite do. (In my defense I was trolling whilst at work and managing 3 phone calls).
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:48:47 PM

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Althea wrote:
Varius wrote:
I suggest the following:

Dwayne's suggestion wrote:
With the purchase of this skill (School of the Land, Hunter/Herder or Tracking), you may make the call "By my gesture, identify Race" while indicating a specific individual with your gesture. This action is a very 'In Game' action (forgoing any stealthiness to get a good look at the critter - exposing yourself as much as your voiced call would) that is obvious.

Additionally, this exact same call can be made on a sentient being if the user has the skill School of Man.

Doing this costs no Stamina of any kind.


I think this simple addition to the descriptions of each of the skills (School of the Land, Hunter/Herder, Tracking & School of Man) would solve this issue, prevent the OOGliness of other methods and give some more fun to those with these skills.

Dwayne


Hunter/Herder as the Pool or as the refining skill? That makes a big difference. Many people have the one pool point to get the SU, but the production skill Hunter/herder is more expensive as is the ?mental? skills of tracking and School. There is nothing in this suggested list that is physical primary which many of our hunters are.


The pool points you are referring to are actually called "Hunt/Farm" Production Points. I am referring to the skill.

A hunter/herder, naturally has the skill "Hunter/Herder" and a number of Hunt/Farm Production Pool Points. Without the skill, they are not a "Hunter." With only a point in the pool (without the skill) they simply have a very basic knowledge of what can be harvested and what cannot. They cannot go beyond that without the skill "Hunter/Herder."


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